Three Strikes Legislation Repeal Bill
We come first to the interrupted consideration of the Three Strikes Legislation Repeal Bill. When we were last considering this bill, Part 1 was being debated. This is the debate on clauses 3 to 10, and scheduleââAmendments to Sentencing Act 2002â. The question is that Part 1 stand part.
I do cast our mind back briefly to the debate we had about three strikes, and the question I asked was: why are we doing this bill? The repeal is to take away the three-strikes legislation, which was targeted at our worst repeat offenders to keep them in prison for longer. These wereâand thereâs only been a handful of people whoâve had three strikesâour most serious repeat offenders. The Ministerâs claimâMinister Faafoi, when he introduced the billâwas because it hadnât worked. I pointed out that, well actually, the advice from the officials was that there was no evidence at all, or no international detailed evidence, showing whether the legislation had worked or hadnât worked.
So I asked the Minister why she was doing this in the absence of any evidence, and she replied that âWell, clearly there is evidence, because violent crime has not decreased since this bill has been introduced.â, and, secondly, that âBecause there has been a stark rise in sexual offending since this bill has been introduced, therefore it hasnât worked.â I havenât heard such an infantile argument put forward by a Minister of Justice in my life, which is to say, âBehold, violent crime hasnât decreased since the introduction of this bill.ââtherefore, three strikes hadnât worked.
Perhaps, I suppose, the question I have is: did it occur to the Minister that there could be some other reasons why serious crime hasnât decreased over the past five yearsâparticularly since theyâve been in Governmentâand I can suggest one or two other potential reasons, such as the soft-on-crime approach to law and order that this Government has focused on or such as the massive failure in social policy and housing policy, and the fact that 100,000 kids are not in school regularly. Thereâs a whole host of reasons why crime has increased over the past few years, and it strikes me as an infantile argument for the Minister of Justice to make the claim, as she did in our last debate, that the evidence that the three-strikes legislation hadnât worked was because violent crime had not fallen. So I do ask the Minister to reflect on that.
The second question I askedâwhich I didnât get an answer toâwas how on earth could the Minister of Justice come to the conclusion, looking at the scene that we face in New Zealand today and every dayâand today has just another example on the news tonight of a dairy owner had a couple of regular attacks on his property, fearful for his property and, ultimately, his safety. We see the rise of gangs, we see shootings on an unheard of level in Auckland and around the country, and weâve seen an increase in violent crime of more than 20 percent. We see all thisâeverybody sees it; everybody understands it. Why is it that the priority for this Government and the conclusion that theyâve drawn is that, âOh, weâre too tough on the worst offenders and weâve got to reduce sentences for those worst offenders.â? Why and how does she come to that conclusion? Thank you, Mr Chair.
Members, the time has come to leave the Chair. The House is suspended and I will resume the Chair at 9 a.m. tomorrow morning.
Sitting suspended from 9.56 p.m. to 9 a.m. (Wednesday)
đŁď¸ Spoke in this debate (2)
- Hon Paul Goldsmith (New Zealand National Party â List Member)
- Ian McKelvie (New Zealand National Party â Member for RangitÄŤkei)