Taxation (Cost of Living Payments) Bill
I move, That the Taxation (Cost of Living Payments) Bill be now read a third time.
What a great day to be in Government. Iâve been in this place for 20 years. My anniversary is in a couple of monthsâ time and Iâve never ever, in the 20 Budgets that Iâve been here for, seen such a depressed Opposition on the first morning of the continuance of the urgency motion. The contributions from that sideâI know theyâre awake, theyâve arrived here, come through the rain on a Wellington grey day, but the depression on the other side is palpable. I can see why. Completely taken by surprise by the Budgetâcompletely. The terrible design of their tax policy in comparison, laid bare, and theyâre left with accusations in the debates on this bill about fiscal profligacyâprophets of doom on the other side. We have to remind them that this bill gives $350 to 2.1 million peopleâ2.1 million people assisted with the cost of livingâon top of the extensions to the slashing of excise duty, to the cutting of road-user charges, and the halving of public transport costs.
This country recognises that we have had one of, if not, the best responses to COVID in the world, both health-wise and economically. And, as a consequence, New Zealandâs economy has already bounced back to being pre-COVID size, and growth rates are higher than they were pre-COVID. Unemployment is at an incredibly good low level of 3.2 percent and the Governmentâs books go back into surplusânotwithstanding the astounding shock of COVIDâa year earlier than National got the books back into surplus after the global financial crisis (GFC). Against all of that background, the National Party still say, âOh, profligate Government stoking inflation.â, when our expenditure in this coming year, according to the Budget documents, is 31.6 percent of GDP, compared with 34 percent of GDP under National after the GFC.
Itâs no wonder that the commentators are picking that this is a great Budget, but so are the punters.
đŹ Hon Gerry Brownlee: Name one! He canât find one.
Well, Iâm actually looking for a list of some of the quotesâIâm looking for some of the statements by punters throughout the country who are saying that this $27 per week helps. But Iâm going to give up on that because I canât find the piece of paper. The pundits up and down the country are saying that the National Party tax cuts would have given less to low and middle income earners than this $27 a week; $2 a week for a low income earner under the National Partyâs tax cuts, a $270,000 tax saving for the chief executive officers (CEOs) who are at the top end of the spectrumâ270,000 per annum. People know that, one, the country canât afford that after the COVID costsâ
đŹ Hon Paul Goldsmith: This is muckraking.
âand, two, that it would beââmuckrakingâ, says the Hon Paul Goldsmith.
đŹ Hon Gerry Brownlee: Put some numbers on it.
$270,000 is the number that the CEO of Air New Zealand would have got from the tax cuts that National Party proposed and $2 a week was what a low-income earner would have gotâabout 110 bucks a year compared with the $350 that low and middle income earners get under this package.
This is a very, very good bill and I thought Audrey Young summed it up very well. She said that Grant Robertson delivered a measured response to the current crisis, and she said that he had written a âGoldilocks Budgetâ, neither too much nor too little, that it had targeted the tax cuts better than the National Partyâs alternative, and that the Budget was, essentially, a masterstroke by the Minister of Finance. Weâre incredibly well led in this country by the Prime Minister, Jacinda Ardern, by the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Finance, the Hon Grant Robertson, who I think has delivered a Budget in difficult circumstances.
Now, the final thing I would point out is that the Hon Gerry Brownlee just gave a contribution on the title debate where he said that people were 6 or 7 percent behind, and he quoted the number. He ignores wage increasesâtypical of the economic illiteracy on the National Party side of the equation. He just talks about inflation but not wage increases. Even this year that weâre in, the only year in the past five years where wage growth is lower than inflation and the only year that it will be, under this Governmentâbecause forward projections out to the end-year forecasts have wage growth higher than inflationâwith inflation predicted to be 6.7 percent, wage growth has been 4.6 percent. The gap is not 6.7 percent, as the National Party illiterately repeat in this House; the difference is 2 percentâthe difference is 2 percent. And we as a Government are doing what we can to assist people with that reality.
We all know that inflation is here, that itâs not caused by the Government. There was a bit of a spat on TV last night with a leading New Zealand economist, Shamubeel Eaqub, calling out the illiteracy of the ACT Party on this issue. The main causes of inflation are the disrupted supply chains as a consequence of COVID, including disrupted production in China, and transport constraints that have been disrupted through COVID. And then, of course, virtually the whole of the world is bouncing out of COVID at the same time. So demand pressures around the world have spiked, which is in itself inflationary. And then on top of that, weâve got the war in Ukraine, which has doubled fuel prices, which feeds through to food prices, in part, because the cost of fertiliser has gone up by 38 percent.
So we all know those are the causes of inflation, but we also know that itâs real for New Zealand consumers and thatâs why weâre doing our bit to assist them through this measure, which is fiscally responsible, will help 2.1 million New Zealanders, and is widely seen by the media as being a good Budget.
The question is that the motion be agreed to.
Thank you, Mr Speaker. We started off with a hiss and a roar from the speaker Mr Parker about the Budget, and then it started to lose its way. Then he was flambling around, trying to find commentators that had supported it, and he started reading Audrey Young. But, of course, Audrey Young, yesterday, just after the Budget, said it was a âGoldilocks Budgetâ, but on reflection, sheâs written another article a little bit later where her conclusion at the front is âGrant Robertsonâs latest Budget may end up pleasing very few.â No longer is it Goldilocks; sheâs actually had to pull back and recognise that itâs been a flop, and everybody else in the country recognises that itâs been a flop. Itâs a backwards Budget, because the country is going backwards.
Just think, back in 2017, when National left this Government thanks to Winston Peters, this country was positive and was going places. People were flooding into the country. We were aspirational. New Zealand was reaching ahead. Everybody felt good about this country. Five years later, weâre losing a net-outflow of people. Australia is getting the best and brightest from New Zealandânot all of them, of course; some of them here on this side of the Chamber. So weâre losing a net-outflow of people, the country is going slowly, and the growth forecasts in this Budget from the Treasury are being pulled back. Instead of growing 12 percent by 2024, weâre only going to grow 9 percent if weâre lucky. For some of the years ahead, weâre going to be growing less than 1 percent.
So the country, as a whole, under this Government is going backwards. But itâs worse than that; itâs New Zealand households that are going backwards under this Government. Costs are going up faster, the cost of everythingâwhether itâs cheese, whether itâs petrol, whether itâs food for the table; thatâs going up faster than wages are going up. And everybody knows it, everybody understands it, everybody sees it, everybody feels it, and they are frustrated by it. The Government will stand up and say, âOh, it isnât us.â, and theyâll point to Shamubeel Eaqub and all that sort of stuff. Shamubeel Eaqub, by the way, when we were in Government, had nothing to say other than the New Zealand Government had their head in the sand over superannuation and we needed to put the age of superannuation up. That was the only thing he used to say, and then, suddenly, this Government comes in, and Jacinda Ardern refuses to put the age of superannuation up, and he stops talking about itâhas never talked about it since. So now heâs talking about inflation and about that. So, anyway, good on you, Shamubeel, you do that.
But the point about inflation is that, yes, of course, thereâs an international component, but you canât control that, but what you can control as a Government is what the Government does to contribute to it. And there are two things that have contributed to it significantly: (1) they took the focus of the Reserve Bank off inflation and added a dual mandate, and weâve run incredibly low interest rates, and that has helped fuel the inflationâlike it has in many other parts of the worldâand thatâs why inflation was ripping before Ukraine and itâs why New Zealand households were going backwards last year; and (2) they have massively increased Government spendingâwhatâs called the fiscal impulseâand this Budget was the biggest splurge of new spending ever, and New Zealanders look at it, and they see it for what it is.
They look at the $11 billion in health, and they ask the obvious question, âWill this lead to any better outcomes?â And when they consider what happened to the $1.9 billion extra money in mental health two years ago for no better outcomes in so many areas, they are rightly concerned about it, and they can see it just disappearing like water into the sandâbillions and billions of dollars going out and no better result. Overall, Government spendingâs increased by 68 percent by this Government, and nobody can point to a 68 percent increase in actual outcomes. Weâre all waiting longer for courts, weâre waiting for surgeries, and everybodyâs waiting for everything. All the money goes out and where it all seems to go is into extra public servants and lots of consultants. Itâs been great for the consultants, a really wonderful time for the consultants but not good for the average New Zealanderâand particularly not good for the squeezed middle.
Then we look here at what is being proposed in this bill: this temporary assistance to deal with the cost of living, and the $27 a week that people will get for a few weeks. And weâve seen, overnight, people working out how that fits. Weâve seen people say, âWell, if you look at an average couple, in the Budget theyâll get $54 between them for a few weeks, but the cost of rent has been about $50 as well.â Well, OK, that might just cover the rent increase for a few weeks, but it doesnât cover all the food and everything else that theyâre having to deal with, and all the other issues. Then what happens after three months? Oops, weâre back where we were; weâve gone backwards. And what about the homeowner? Average costs have gone up a $134 a week, so theyâre going backwards at a rate of knots, and theyâll be going back faster, because interest rates will be going up even higher to deal with inflation. And, then, of course, well, they might get a cheap bus ride for a few weeks, but thatâs going to stop as well.
So the big question that everybody has is: what on earth is going to happen in three months when these little temporary fixes are going to disappear? They wonât, probably, disappear, and thatâs going to be a real problem for this Government. Theyâve got themselves entirely trapped, and thereâs no way out for them, because theyâve raised this kind of hope that theyâll throw some money at people in order to deal with this situation. But theyâre going to have to keep on doing it, because the inflationâs not going to go away any time soon. And thatâs why weâre not voting for this bill, and itâs why the National Partyâs plan is so much better. And itâs an obvious one which is to say, âLetâs stop taking more tax out of the hands of New Zealanders every day, using the sneaky approach of inflationâas incomes rise, hold the tax thresholds down, and more people pay higher rates of tax.â
And thatâs been the dirty secret of this Governmentâs tax policy for the last five years. Itâs why Grant Robertson has had so much money to throw aroundâineffectively, sadlyâand itâs why New Zealanders are feeling the pinch. Weâve just suggested the obvious and simple and right thing to do, which is to say, âOK, letâs adjust those thresholds for inflation and put $1,600 back into the hands of the average New Zealand worker. That will make a real difference to them. Itâs a contribution, itâs a start, and it doesnât go away after three months like this short-term, band-aid fix from the Government will do.â
And, of course, the other element of this is the hurried and ill-considered nature of it. When we look at this Governmentâs approach to this Budget, they were quite confident about the whole situation. They said that the focus of the Budget was going to be climate change and it was going to be health restructuring. That was going to be the big thing about the Budget until about five weeks ago when they thought, âHang on a moment. Hang on a moment. Maybe we have miscued somewhat. There seems to be another issue out thereâsomething called the cost of living. Maybe we should be doing something about that.â Just like they thought about law and order, suddenly, very late in the piece, they claimed everything was fine, and then, the only thing going forward that New Zealanders have seen is those stolen cars being rammed into dairies. So they came up with a quick fix there, which wonât really work, and then they came up with this cost-of-living package right at the very end.
We see all the notes from Treasury laid out on the table, saying, âOh, yes, well, we havenât really had time to consider this at all. Itâs just been flung at us just beforehand. And, by the way, we think itâs pretty bad.â I mean, look. This is what the Treasury has to say on it: âInflation has risen over the past year and is expected to be widespread and to persist into the future. This makes a one-off payment a poor mechanism for supporting households with a longer-term problem.â This is from the Governmentâs own advisers. Let me just repeat this: âInflation has risen over the past year and is expected to be widespread and to persist into the future. This makes a one-off payment a poor mechanism for supporting households with a longer-term problem.â So the Governmentâs own advisers say it was a bad idea. They say a one-off payment of this magnitude, also, would add inflationary pressures in the short term.
Then there are other priorities that could be pursued with this money. Then, they also point out that they have to go and hire another 750 people down at IRD to figure out how to pay this money. I mean, what a shambles. Iâm pretty confident notwithstanding if this bill passesâwhich it will, because this Government has the numbersâthat theyâll turn around and find out thereâll be all sorts of problems. I wouldnât be at all surprised if weâre not back in this House with another piece of urgent legislation to fix up some kink that theyâve forgotten and that has meant the moneyâs gone to people in Australia or something like that. I donât know; thereâll be something that they wonât have figured out in their mad rush to deal with it.
That is the tragedy of this Government. Theyâre always, always reacting on the back foot to issues, because theyâre not thinking ahead and theyâre not providing a clear plan for New Zealand. So the backward Budget continues. New Zealanders are going backwards, but our message for you today is: help is on the way, and thatâs in the form of Chris Luxon, Nicola Willis, and the National Party that stand ready to lead this country back to success.
What a miserable lot they are on the Opposition benchesâa miserable, pessimistic, negative lot. Oh no, oh no, unemployment is down to 3.2 percent, and they think thatâs terrible! Mr Goldsmith says that growth is predicted to be only 9 percent, and thatâs a terrible thing! They are a miserable, mean lot, seeing only the dark underbelly of everything because that suits them.
Now, we know there is an inflation problem, and it is worldwide. Iâd like to point out that just yesterday economist Shamubeel Eaqub said it was âeconomically illiterateâ to sheet it home to the Government here. Well, the economic illiterates on the other side of the House might like to pretend that inflation is caused here in New Zealand alone, but we know it is a worldwide problem, and we know it is caused by worldwide issues.
Whether or not it is caused by worldwide issues, it is our job on this side of the House to help New Zealanders get through, and that is exactly what we are doing. Benefits went up on 1 April. We have the winter energy payment to help superannuitants and people who are on benefit. The minimum wage has gone up. Thatâs all stuff to help people get through. In this Budget, we are making a contribution to the cost of living for ordinary New Zealanders, for 2.1 million New Zealanders, who will get a contribution to help them through these winter monthsâ$350 going to 2.1 million New Zealanders. Itâs going to students. Itâs going to people on the minimum wage. Itâs going to those who work two or three jobs just trying to get by. Itâs going to ordinary people and it will help them.
So let me tell you what people have said about this. Letâs start with some of the big-picture stuff. Now, in terms of whether or not itâs an effective and good measure, letâs talk to, I donât know, ANZ chief economist Sharon Zollner. That would be the ANZ that is chaired by the former Leader of the Opposition, by the former Prime Minister, Sir John Key. What does this wonderful person say? She says, well, actually, good fiscal policy âshould be targeted and temporary and these cost of living pressures are, weâre all hoping, going to ease, whereas a tax cut is, of course, for the long runâ. In other words, she supports it. She says, âThis is a one-off payment that can be repeated if necessary and itâs actually more flexible, in that regard, than a tax cut would be.â Thatâs from the ANZ chief economist.
Morgan Godfery, who lectures at the University of Otago Business School, says that the cost of living payment is âa necessary recognition that a large number of New Zealanders are doing it tough ⌠Targeting that payment to the 2 million New Zealanders who are likely struggling with all kinds of rising costsâwhether itâs fuel, whether itâs housing costsâI think is both necessary and sensible.â Thatâs what people are saying about the overall fiscal nature of this particular payment.
In terms of whether or not it would add to inflation, well, University of Otago senior lecturer in economics Dr Murat ĂngĂśr doesnât think that itâll add to extra pressure on inflation. It is a great, measured announcement. Thatâs what some of the people commenting on the economics of it are saying.
But what are ordinary people sayingâwhat are ordinary people saying? Here it is: âArrowtown woman Jo Scott was shopping at Countdown Andersons Bay in Dunedin yesterday and said it was âoutrageousâ how much the cost of food had gone up.ââwe all know that. âShe said the payment would be a âbig helpâ. Another shopper, Ann Cottrell, of Dunedin, said the payment would be âmarvellousâ.â Ordinary people are welcoming this assistance with their costs of living. It is welcomed on the streets, and thatâs where that side of the House is simply out of touch.
Over on this side of the House, we know we need to help. We are doing what we can to help people get through. This is a measured and sensible response to the temporary cost of living pressures. I am so glad to be able to commend this bill to the House.
I must take a minute or two to reply to some of the positions put by the speaker who just resumed her seat. Firstly, I think itâs extraordinary that the Government should come in here and quote the words of a bank chief executiveâa bank thatâs just been one of the first to jack up their interest rates in this new environment; interest rates that are contributing to that $134 a week extra costs for mortgage holders in this country. Yet the Government comes in here and says, âWell, the banks are happy about it.â Of course they are. Of course they are. Itâs typical, isnât it? The vested interests are always apparently the ones that this bank wants to talk about. Unreal.
Then, of course, we talk about the fact that itâs a measured approach. Well, the overall approach to the Budget is that there is $100 billion worth of income and $127 billion worth of expenditure. The question is: who fills the gap? When we look at this Budget from this week, we see $6 billion spent as plannedâas well announced by the Governmentâa massive expenditure: biggest ever in New Zealandâs history. Then we see an extra $2.3 billion stolen out of next year, brought forward into this year to pay for various aspects of the Budget. And on top of that, the last-minute inclusion, the very last-minute inclusion, not actually in the Budget, only there as potentially a supplementary estimate some time down the trackâthe billion dollars for this particular moveâ$9 billion. Now, if anyone looks at how baselines work, that means over the next four years, the Government is going to spend north of an extraâan extraâ$50 billion. Where does it come from?
The people who always pay are the people who are at the bottom. This is an absolute sham when it comes to any suggestion that this about solving the cost of living. Itâs not. I donât begrudge people that money. I hope they turn up in their droves and they take it. They need it.
But letâs be clear: someone on $70,000 a year, at the top end of the qualifying range, is paying $14,000 in tax right now. Theyâre left with a $56,000 income. Thereâs a bit taken off that for ACC and various other things. But that $56,000 has been eroded in its purchasing power over the last 12 months by about $4,000. David Parker says here, âOh no, the member got his figures wrongâ when I quoted this in the House earlier, because thereâs been pay rises. Even if weâre generous about the pay rises, it is still a gapâand, in fact, if someone was on $70,000, they got a pay rise, they no longer qualify. But if someone had got a pay rise that took them up to that level, their purchasing power after that pay rise is still down by $4,000. So itâs an irrelevance that you get all the time being thrown into these arguments by a Government that just seems to think that if they say it and they do itâwell, they donât do it very often, do they? Theyâre not good on deliveryâthen everything will be all right.
Thereâs the fact too that you can have multiple speakers from the Government standing up and saying, âThis is wonderful. Itâs a payment to 2.1 million people.â, but weâre a population of 5 million, weâre a population of about 1.5 million children who donât work; weâre a population of over 500,000 who donât work because theyâre retired. So these are working-age New Zealandersâa massive chunk of our populationâand the Government is celebrating that their incomes are low enough to qualify for this miserable $350 over a three-month period, $27 a week.
Well, if they think theyâre going to go out on the hustings and tell New Zealanders how wonderful they are, I think theyâve got another thing coming. The only people theyâve been able to talk about in the House today who expressed any degree of support for this are a political editor whoâs changed his story this morning, and a bank chief executive whoâs happy to rub his hands as the interest rates go flying up. Completely ridiculous.
Iâve watched people on television, Iâve heard them on the radioâpeople who are affected by this. Theyâre grateful, but they are also very annoyed about the fact that it wonât go anywhere near trying to sort out the erosion of purchasing power that their limited incomes have so far experiencedâ$134 a week down if someone has an average mortgage in this country.
It just seems to me hard to believe that a Government can be so excited about this. We all know how it happened. Week after week, Labour caucus members were filing into the weekly caucus meeting, saying, âItâs not good out there. Weâve got to do something. Weâve got to come up with something.â And then Grant Robertsonâs come along and heâs got a bit of a bone heâs thrown at them and said, âHere, look. Weâre going to give everybody $350, dripping it out over three months, and that should take care of everything.â And one by one theyâve stood up in the House since yesterday afternoon, applauding this initiative by Mr Robertson and the Prime Minister as if it is an answer to everything. Itâs temporary, so is the reduction in fuel excise. Temporary.
The question still arises: how is that $27 billion worth of extra spending through this Budget going to be paid for? No answer. The only way, ultimately, is taxation. Itâs alarming that this bill apparently predicates some 700 new staff being taken on by the IRD. Are they being taken on in a temporary position? I doubt it. Somebody has to be there to run the mechanisms that bring that $50 billion in over the next four years.
The great thing is, you know, Iâll bet there was never any systematic going-through of the Budget prior to it being announced yesterday by the Labour backbench. No idea. Theyâll just take it as read, take it as being absolutely 100 percent, no worries, donât ask questions. Itâs been evident from the speeches that weâve had today. The question arises: what will happen at the end of the three-month period? Iâll tell you whatâll happen: thereâll be a Christmas bonus. Grant Robertson will put on his red hat with the fluffy white pom-pom and heâll give out a Christmas bonus. Because all of the remedies that failed the economy in the pastâthe 1950s, 1960s, 1970sâare being trotted out by this Government. You canât get past the fact that when there is a massive amount of money being spentâlike the 68 percent increase in Government spending in four years. Imagine what thatâd be like in your household; itâd be phenomenal. And the question is: why is the Government not looking at the drivers of inflation in this country? We keep on getting told, âOh, itâs the Ukraine war, itâs COVID, itâs all the sort of slowdown in the world.â Itâs a big chunk of debt that this country has got. It was the right thing to do to go to the balance sheet to try and get the economy held together. But it is not the right thing to cripple the economy by putting the sort of pernicious tax regimes in place that this Government seems so hell-bent on. Where is the incentive for producers in this country? Go back to that question I raised before: why is the Government so happy to say that a $350 one-off payment is going to sort things out for 2.1 million New Zealanders? That is alarming that thatâs the sort of thinking thatâs going on. Day by day, the costs of life for those people who are in those income bracketsâand remember, thatâs the upper end. If youâre on $71,000, nothing. Thatâs the upper end. So the squeezed middle is a real group of people. Itâs not some term just grabbed out of anywhere. It is a massive group in this population. Thereâs no way that theyâre going to be able to come off this temporary assistance and say, âWell, phew. Thank goodness we got through that. Itâs all over now. Cost of living has suddenly settled. Look at that. Thereâs some new land for some supermarkets; thatâll make a big difference to my life.â That sort of thing is not going to happen, and nor is the pressure on fuel price going to go away. So the real question also isâanother real question; so many questions come out of this Budget: who is going to pay in the end? Remember, history will tell you itâs always those who are on the bottom end of the earning scale.
Yeah, history is important. We must remember history, and letâs remember that when 2020 came around and the National Party put out their alternative budget, they had a $4 billion fiscal hole in itâa $4 billion fiscal holeâand when it was pointed out to them, they didnât do anything about it. So everything that they have stood up and said today, you should regard with a grain of salt because National are out of touch, they donât get the numbers right, and over on this side of the House, we do. That is why we need to be celebrating this cost of living payment. But itâs not just a payment, itâs a package. Itâs an absolute package.
I want to give props where they are absolutely due. That is to the Minister of Finance, Grant Robertson, for doing that; that is to our Prime Minister, the Rt Hon Jacinda Ardern, for actually putting this package together and listening to the voices of New Zealanders, because it was the voices of New Zealanders and we know it. Thatâs rightâweâve got 65 MPs on this side of the House that go back home into our communities after weâve left this building, and they tell us about the cost of living crisis. We see it in our families, we see it in the people that we represent, and for that reason, weâve brought this package to the House.
The cost of living payment is going to cost us $814 million, but thatâs a drop in the bucket compared to the kind of funding that we put out there into the community, but this is absolutely going to help those in our communities: a $350 payment and let us not undervalue that. A $350 payment is a lot of money, especially when itâs going not to households but to actual individuals. Thatâs the difference here, and thatâs going to make the difference for 2.1 million people who are not getting the winter energy payment already. And letâs not overlook that as well: the winter energy payment is already going to over a million New Zealanders out there, supporting them. But letâs not see that in isolation, because on 1 April, we actually brought in a raft of changes which made things better for our superannuitants, for our students, for those people that get Working for Families tax credits. We are absolutely making a difference to the cost of living for everyday New Zealanders.
That side of the room, they are out of touch. Check out their social media. Last night they put out social media talking about our package, talking about what they would do, and talking about the average Kiwi income being $72,000.
đŹ Hon Member: It is.
TÄMATI COFFEY: Iâve got news for that member: back home in Rotorua, we arenât as lucky to get $72,000 every single year like the rich mates of the people on that side of the room. Back home, our average median income is a mere $28,500. The average personal income back home in Rotorua for the average Kiwi is $28,500. They will not be served well by the National Party and their proposed tax package on that side of the House. They will under this bill and Iâm pleased to support it to this House.
I rise to speak on the third reading of the Taxation (Cost of Living Payments) Bill. Iâve been listening through yesterday evening and this morning to the exchanges between members on this temporary $350 payment that is going to be given out to people earning under $70,000, and unfortunately excluding people on the benefit and superannuitants already getting the winter energy payment. What was really clear is that across the House, everyone agrees that there are families doing it tough, but somehow the people on the right, while berating this payment, are not offering tangible solutions to put permanent fixes to our income support system. Itâs all talk about austerity and cutting services. Meanwhile, on the left, while I welcome their approach to trying to address the cost of living payments, theyâve introduced a bill which seeks to exclude some of the people that are doing it the toughest. I donât understand why we can in good conscience try to introduce a bill that seeks to address the cost of living pressures on low-income and middle-income New Zealanders and say to people on the benefits that they already received the winter energy payment and that theyâre all good.
During the committee of the whole House, it was really clear to me that the Minister thought that because people on the benefit already receive some top-ups, they are not struggling to make ends meet. That is not true. The Government had not consulted with people on the benefit or those on the ground since it was it clear on the departmental reportsâbut they didnât even need to, thereâs already so much information out there telling us that people on the benefit are several hundred dollars behind being able to participate in their communities. So we tried to put an amendment to the bill to guarantee that people on the benefit, people under 18 who are on youth payment or who may be in work, would be included in this bill. The Government has an opportunity, still, to do this, because the bill doesnât prescribe who the recipients are, even though the Minister has made it clear that so far the intention is to exclude beneficiaries. So weâre urging Labour to please, when youâre looking at the recipients who are going to get this payment, review your position to include people on the benefit. Because we canât just keep talking about how low-income people are struggling and yet exclude so many of them in one of the most significant things that are being done in this Budget.
I mihi the other efforts around subsidies for free fares, the child support pass-onâthose things will make a difference. But letâs not lie to ourselves. People on the benefit will continue being behind in order to make ends meet. And what that will create is a system where weâre pushing people to Work and Income to get hardship grants just to survive. So the Green Party will continue pushing for permanent fixes to our income support system beyond these temporary measures, because in three months the inequality crisis and the cost of living pressures would have not fully gone away. In fact, some of these cost of living pressures on some whanau on lowest incomes, theyâve been there since before this Government even came into power. We have had so many years of reports, and Labour has a mandate, a majority to basically transform our income support system so that it supports people.
So I think the whole process has been deeply frustrating from the point of view that the exchanges that we have had, I think, ignored the realities of low-income families. Itâs been deeply frustrating to hear members of ACT and National berate this payment yet offer no alternatives to this. And so we look forward to campaigning to transform it.
đŹ Toni Severin: Check out our alternative budget.
RICARDO MENĂNDEZ MARCH: I donât even understand the kind of exchanges that theyâre having here, because, again, theyâre not really offering any solutionsâthe members to my right. So, again, I think all low-income people deserve a life with dignity. They deserve to be able to fully participate in their communities. They deserve to not have to be put into debt by our agencies that are meant to support them. The $350 may not be enough for some families to fully participate in their communities, but it will create some relief for people who are having to face the choice each week of whether to afford food or pay their rent. This would have made a tangible difference. So again I urge Labour to include people who have missed out on this payment and look to transformative solutions so that our families can thrive, not survive.
I just wanted to quote an article from Thomas Coughlan at the New Zealand Herald, which said that âTreasury recommended against the Governmentâs $350 cost of living payment for middle-income households saying it was a âpoor mechanism for supporting households with a longer-term problemâ ââthat is absolutely correctââand that it will make inflation worse in the short-term.â And thatâs absolutely correct as well. âInstead, Treasury believed the Government should investigate a âmore targeted form of support to lower-income householdsâ, according to advice released on the scheme. Treasury even thinks the payments would âadd to inflationary pressures in the short termâ although âthe risk to longer-term inflationary pressures is relatively smallâ because the payments are temporary. On Thursday the Government announced [this, and] people earning less than $70,000 and who do not receive the winter energy payment [is estimated at] 2 million people. ⌠Treasury said the Government should use the money set aside for the scheme ⌠to pursue âinitiatives that more directly impact on interim child poverty targetsâ â, which this Government and this Prime Minister came into Parliament to actually achieve.
Let that sink in. The advice said that the Ministers wanted to forge ahead regardless of Treasuryâs recommendation that Inland Revenue be the agency to administer that scheme, but the IRD said that it should not have to be put in charge of that because it would be a critical operation for the IRD, which is currently managing COVID-19 payments, and it would blow out their key performance indicators for actually doing it.
So you can see where the problems are. Under the ACT Partyâs alternative budget, which the Green Party obviously havenât read, the average worker benefit would be $2,802. A single person earning $60,000 would get an extra $800. An average income of $73,000 would get $2,800. A middle-income worker swimming against the tide of inflation in this âBrain Drain Budgetâ would leave because this country is working to the lowest possible common denominator in terms of aspiration.
So weâre going to tax the productive to fund Labourâs ideological advantages. But I would argue that at a dollar a day, this goes nowhereâabsolutely nowhereâto helping with the cost of living crisis.
đŹ Angie Warren-Clark: Rubbish!
How is that rubbish?
đŹ Angie Warren-Clark: Itâs not a dollar a day.
How would you actually ascertain whether this is a good spend of money, when last night the Minister Mr Parker, whoâs usually respected in this House, could not even tell us how this was modelled, whether it should be $500, $400, $350, or $200? Come October, weâll be asking this question again when the cost of living crisis still will be there, inflation will still be high, and interest rates on your mortgages will still be high, and food prices will still be high.
So Iâd like to ask the Government to actually think about: why $350? Where did that come from? When was it decided? Was it because of the Newshub poll which said that three-quarters of this country donât agree with this Government on the cost of living crisis, that they had failed to anticipate even after all the COVID stimulus? The COVID problem is a different problem to the housing and cost of living crisis. Itâs absolutely a separate problem and it needs a separate set of solutions, and itâs going to be here this time next year, come the election. So letâs be honest about this, and letâs be pragmatic. Thatâs why I like Mr Faafoi, because sometimes he is really pragmatic, but the rest of the economic backbench of the Labour Party are throwing this out as a political spinâand now we know what itâs worth to get a vote from the Labour Party: itâs $350.
So I would ask you to look at Thomasâ article and actually say to the people of New Zealand: this is a short-term fixâitâs not a long-term fixâand youâre on your own. And thatâs what they know out there. And weâre all tightening our belts, and you guys havenât, and thatâs what your opportunity was in the last Budget: tighten your belt, reduce spending, reduce the size of this Government, and give people back some taxes to have them pay for the cost of living crisis. Thank you, Mr Speaker.
ACT and National members in this House are right that yesterdayâs Budget was a difficult one to prepare, in volatile and uncertain times around the world, and with inflation this week in the UK spiking to 9 percent. It was a difficult thing to do and I commend the finance Minister for his balanced approach that responds to the pressures that people are feeling.
This bill establishes the payments that will go directly to middle income earners to help with the cost of living pressures that are hitting people hard right now. Thatâs the differenceâthatâs the difference when you have a Labour Government that sees the need of working people and responds immediately. Thatâs the difference when the Government sees a crisis of COVID coming from a global pandemic and responds to keep people secure. That is what you have when you have a Labour Government that keeps people secure in their health and secure economically and financially. I thank the finance Minister for his work on this Budget.
There is one thing that hasnât been well canvassed in this House and I want to speak to it. That is the fact that the payments that this bill enables will be paid to almost all students. Labour has always been the party of students. We have ensured fair access to tertiary education. We are the party that introduced interest-free student loans. We are the party that stands with students to access tertiary education that is fair and available through the country.
Students are a group that has been hit hard by rising living costs while studying, as rent, transport, and food payments are a very large proportion of their costs. Students also are often precariously employed and donât have stable incomes. There is no application needed for these payments to go to students. They will go directly to their bank accounts, because they have IRD numbers.
There are also other things in the Budget for students, which makes students a huge winner in this Budget. They are things like easier access to first-home grants, which is something we havenât had before for this age group. Thereâs the small-business loan scheme, which means that students starting out as business owners and entrepreneurs will have a huge boost to the way they can begin businesses when they donât have homes to borrow against, which has been the way that small-business owners have had access to capital in the past. This Government has also introduced the Community Connect scheme, which will provide half-price transport for everyone who holds a community services card, which will be most students.
So these payments in this bill will be a big boost for students, and I am proud of that. Iâm proud to stand with a Labour Government that responds to need where we see it and sticks true to our values. I commend this bill.
Thank you very much, Mr Speaker. Well, what a fascinating debate, and what we have learnt over the last 24 hoursâthat last member whoâs resumed her seat, Arena Williams, talked about students. How about students who are under 18? They will not be entitled to this. We questioned the Minister yesterday in the committee of the whole House: what about independent students living away from home, providing for themselves? He couldnât give an answer. And you know why? Because this policyâs been made on the hoof and they have not thought through all this.
We saw it in the paperwork from the advisers: âThere is a risk that significant issues with the resulting proposal have not been identified.â Because this was rushed through, thought up on 4 May, and what we saw in the paperwork was that the IRD and the Treasury had an argument because none of them wanted to be the lead delivery agency. They said, âNo, IRD will do it.â, and IRD said, âNo, Treasury will do it.â None of them wanted to do it, and itâs outrageous.
Thereâs a quote here: âThis makes a one-off payment a poor mechanism for supporting households with a longer-term problem.â And thatâs the issue here. This Governmentâs been caught on the hoof. They would not accept a cost of living crisis. So they put a band-aid in placeâ$350. And youâd think for all the bureaucrats they haveâand there was an argument about people in the top income bracket. Well, how many bureaucrats are now earning over $100,000 a year thanks to this Government? And youâd think with all their advisers, not one of them would have said, âStop. Hold on. The average income for a Kiwi is $72,000 and they wonât be entitled to this under Labourâs plan.ââ$72,000 is the average wage for a Kiwi, and youâre not entitled. Who would have thought! Youâve got to scratch your head. But this is the reality when you make policy on the hoof. Itâs a bit like Dadâs Army.
Then it even gets worse, because the Minister had to get up in his first reading speech and accept they donât have bank details for over 200,000 people yet who are entitled to this, over 10 percent. And then he had to say, âThe IRD is still applying for funding to resource the 750 fulltime-equivalents that are needed to roll out this programme. And we know one thing: under a Labour Government, 750 actually probably means about 1,000â1,000 fulltime-equivalent, on top of the 10,000 extra bureaucrats theyâve employed in Wellington already. Youâve really got to scratch your head with thisâa band-aid solution to something that is very important for many Kiwis who are under a lot of financial pressure today because of domestic inflation.
These guys have blown $6 billion in the Budget. Theyâve raided next yearâs Budget by $2 billion, half a billion in the Budget after that, and then because they got caught out with this, this policyâs going to cost $800 million on top of that. Theyâre out of control, this Government. Itâs addicted to spending.
One thing I will leave the House with is, what is the purpose of a Labour Government if it doesnât stand up for hard-working Kiwis? And what we have today is that for the average Kiwi on the average wage, they will get a big New Zealand Transport Agency red zero. You know those ones that cost $10,000? That is what the average Kiwi will get todayâzero. If youâre on $72K, the average wage in New Zealand, you will get zero dollars. And we were challenged by one of the Government MPs down the back there: thereâs been no alternate plan put out. Well, I go and say, check. ACT has put an alternate plan out. National has put their permanent tax plan out, that would give an average Kiwi on $72,000 tax relief of $800 a year. Compare that to zeroâzero from this Government. They talk a big game but they do not care about hard-working Kiwis.
Thank you, Mr Speaker. Itâs a real pleasure to rise and I am delighted to speak in this third reading. For 81 percent of New Zealanders, 2.1 million people, the average wage is 68Kâ$68,000 roughly. I donât know where they got their figures from; probably the same place that $4 billion fiscal hole was from.
Basically, I looked at what this means for everyday New Zealanders. Basically, what I did was I calculated my income when I was pre here in Parliament. I was on roughly around $70,000. So I looked at that $70,000, and I still kind of spend like Iâm still on that salary. So I looked at the cost of what I would be getting for the $116 per month for the three months. And for those of you who are concerned that IRD does not have your bank account number, we urge you to be in touch. Just go online and give them your bank account number. Some people donât like to give the IRD their bank account number, but thatâs OK. If you want this, youâll do so.
So there were 14 items that I could purchase for $104: white rice, cheese, 8 litres of milk, bread, 10 kilos of potatoes, 4 kilos of frozen drum sticks, royal gala apples, mixed vegetables, spread, tea bags, coffee, sugar, pasta, silver beet, fruit jam, and crunchy peanut butter. I still had $10 left over, was going to whip down to The Warehouse and buy their $10 can of Milo for the kids. So I also looked and I have 65 litres in my vehicle and I could get 40 litres of fuel. I actually put $60 a week into my vehicle for fuel, so thatâs going to help tremendously. The other thing: I pay $60 a week on power. So this is two weeks out of four weeks of power paid for me.
So when we hear all of these wonderful things about how terrible it is, actually real Kiwis are going to have more in their pocket. Itâs going to help us to manage this short-term issue and Iâm really pleased and delighted to commend it to the House.
Kia ora e te Mana WhakawÄ. It is always an honour and a privilege to speak in this House, especially today. And can I acknowledge the Minister of Finance. Yesterday, he gave us a balanced, balanced Budget. He said, âThe investments we are making in this Budget build on the progress [weâve] made in Budget 2021.â And may I remind this House what the goal of the Budget is: securing our future. One, we are continuing to keep New Zealand safe from COVID-19. Two, weâre accelerating the recovery from the rebuild and impacts of COVID-19. Three, we are laying the foundations for the future, including addressing key issues such climate change, change housing affordability, and child poverty.
Yesterday, I heard the leader of the National Party say, âThe bureaucratsâtheyâre getting thousands of bureaucrats.â The wage subsidy last yearâwe had the historic payment to businesses by those public servants. If it werenât for those public servants, the payments would not reach the businesses so they can pay their workers. The wage, the subsidy, the winter energy paymentâthe average wage in the Papakura electorate is $56,000; $27 at Countdown Papakura today would get you the following: one loaf of bread, one butter, 2 litre milk, 1 kilogram of rice, a dozen eggs, a block of cheese, a can of tuna. What can you get for $2, if the National Party had their tax cuts? A $2 toilet paperâthe cheapest toilet paper is $2. People, when weâre talking about real people, weâre talking about averages. Unfortunately, Pacific people always end up at the bottom, and I want to acknowledge the leadership of the Prime Minister in that as well.
Iâve ran out of time because itâs a quick call, but I want to acknowledge this side of the Houseâwhen weâre talking about people, we know what those people are eating every day because we speak with them, we talk with them. And when weâre talking about average people, we are talking about mums and dads next door to us. I end this by saying I commend this bill to the House. Malo.
This will be a lot better, I assure you. This bill is short-term measures for a long-term problem, a cost of living band-aid on what is becoming a rapidly growing wound for Kiwi households. Hard-working Kiwis are going backwards under this Labour Government. A reactive response, a tactical response, is what weâve seen in this bill. As Kiwis go into Christmas this year, they go into Christmas with a lack of certainty and a lack of trust and confidence in a Government who doesnât have their backs.
The ANZ quoted yesterday, âInflation isnât just a global problem that New Zealand is importing; itâs a domestic issue too.ââcompletely in contrast to what weâve heard from the other side. I tell you what, letâs take a look at the front page of the Dominion Post today, which Iâm holding up now. I think this personifies the reality and the attitude of Kiwis to this Budget. We have a finance Minister who is absolutely addicted to spending, and that page summarises how much of a flop this Budget is.
Labourâs spending addiction means this countryâs books are going backwardsâa bill that is part of an unprecedented $6.5 billion of new spending, of which this bill makes up $814 million. The squeezed middle in this country are paying the price for a Labour Governmentâs lack of fiscal discipline and mismanagement. If youâre the average wage earner in this country on $72,000, under this, what we heard yesterday, you get nothing under Labour.
Total Government borrowings are now over $200 billion. Debt is increasing at 41 percent of GDP, and the average Kiwi family is paying $150 extra a week on living costs, so $27 a week for three months is a short-term sugar hit. It is not going to be anything of substance. New Zealanders need a sustainable long-term plan. Under National, National would fight inflation. Under Nationalâs tax plan, someone on the average income of $72,000 per annum would be better off by $860 a year. Under Labour, they get nothing. A National Government, which I am proudly part of, led by Christopher Luxon and Nicola Willis, will deliver to New Zealanders and provide meaningful long-term relief for a crippling impact of a cost of living crisis, and, more importantly, deliver an aspirational future for this country.
Thank you very much, Mr Speaker. Thereâs been a lot of emotion this morning. I think itâs because the National Party realise they have been backed into a corner here, and they have a choice. They have a choice today to actually support 2.1 million workers. Thatâs actually what this is today. They can heckle all they like but the reality is that in about two minutesâ time weâre going to vote on this bill, and theyâre going to vote no. This bill supports 2.1 million workers and theyâre going to vote no.
Theyâve been talking about the average worker, and they know that the average wage in this country is less than $70,000 but they keep saying itâs higher. People can draw their own conclusions as to why they do that knowing that itâs not true. The facts are that a worker on the average wage will benefit from this package. But I wonder why they keep using average over median. Because when youâre looking at average wages, they could increase the wages of every single CEO in the country, the people they want to give tax cuts to, and the average wage will go up. But the rest of New Zealanders donât benefit. Thatâs why the average wage is a poor measure.
The median wage, when you have the same number of workers above that line as you have below, is significantly lowerâ2.1 million workers. Between this payment and the winter energy payment, four out of five workers will be receiving assistance from this Government over winter.
Hereâs something for people to reflect on: the National Party voted against the winter energy payment, and they refused to answer a question as to whether they will scrap it if they were to win the election. The National Party is about to vote no for this out of spite. They are, in their minds, letting the good be the enemy of the perfect because they are so puritan to think that only tax cuts are the answer. But tax cuts wonât help those that need it. Even Chris Luxon admits that. When he was asked what the highest earners will do if they got a tax cut, he would say âThey would probably save it.â How is that targeted for those that are hurting under a cost of living issue? Itâs not. Itâs looking after the big end of town. Thatâs what they care about. They have a chance to prove me wrong, but I guarantee you right now, they wonât.
đŁď¸ Spoke in this debate (14)
- Hon Gerry Brownlee (New Zealand National Party â List Member)
- Tamati Coffey (New Zealand Labour Party â List Member)
- Matt Doocey (New Zealand National Party â Member for Waimakariri)
- Hon Paul Goldsmith (New Zealand National Party â List Member)
- Anahila Kanongata'A-Suisuiki (New Zealand Labour Party â List Member)
- Kieran McAnulty (New Zealand Labour Party â Member for Wairarapa)
- Ricardo MenĂŠndez March (Green Party of Aotearoa / New Zealand â List Member)
- Hon David Parker (New Zealand Labour Party â List Member)
- Adrian Rurawhe (New Zealand Labour Party â Member for Te Tai HauÄuru)
- Dr Deborah Russell (New Zealand Labour Party â Member for New Lynn)
- Damien Smith (ACT New Zealand â List Member)
- Angie Warren-Clark (New Zealand Labour Party â List Member)
- Simon Watts (New Zealand National Party â Member for North Shore)
- Arena Williams (New Zealand Labour Party â Member for Manurewa)