Taxation (Budget 2021 and Remedial Measures) Bill
KÄti rÄ, tÄnÄ rÄ tÄtou, ata mÄrie.
[If I may, greetings all, and good morning.]
The House is resumed. Members, when we adjourned last night we were debating the third reading of the Taxation (Budget 2021 and Remedial Measures) Bill. We are up to call number eight, which is a Labour Party call. I call Arena Williams.
Good morning, Mr Speaker and members of this House. Itâs a brilliant day in Wellington and a Pink Shirt Day, acknowledging bullying in our schools. I acknowledge everyone here who has taken the opportunity to wear a pink shirt, and I will be donning one when I go back to my office.
I want to give a very short contribution on a very short bill, which contains amendments to the Income Tax Act 2007 and the Child Support Act 1991. The amendments to the Income Tax Act 2007 relate to an increase in the minimum family tax threshold. These changes are an important part of this Governmentâs plan and what we heard in the Budget yesterday. But it relates more broadly to the Governmentâs plan. Since 2017 itâs made changes which would see 109,000 families with kids better off by $175 per week on average. Thatâs an incredible change since that time, and these changes will do their part to do that.
Whatâs that going to mean for New Zealanders? Well, I know in my electorate of Manurewa this is going to be a massive investment in those families who need a Labour Government the most, and who need our representation here in this House. Iâm proud to represent that community of Manurewa today.
Now, a quick note on the minimum family tax credit, for those who are new to this debate who might be following along, as a consequence of the benefit rate increase announced yesterday, the threshold for the minimum family tax credit is also being increased to ensure that on an annual basis, eligible low-income families continue to be better off in work receiving that tax credit than they would be on a benefit. Weâve heard contributions from that side of the House that we havenât addressed the need for people to be in work, and this bill is an important part of doing that and making sure that families who are working can get ahead in this country and are incentivised to do so. Iâm proud of that, and I want to speak to the people at home who are confused about that: that is simply not the case. By raising benefits we do, in fact, increase everyoneâs ability to live a good life in the way that they conceive of it and to live with dignity and respect in our communities. That is why I commend this bill to the House.
This call is a split call. I call Simon Watts, five minutes.
Mr Speaker, a very good morning. Everyoneâs looking bright-eyed and bushy-tailed on this Friday morning. What a morning it is.
I tell you what, Iâm going to talk today about the Taxation (Budget 2021 and Remedial Measures) Bill third reading. A couple of key changes in this Act, as weâve discussed. Weâve heard a little bit of an overview over there. The minimum family tax credit going up by $520; we support this. The child support amendmentâlook, weâre fixing a number of mistakes made in this legislation, obviously, thatâs needed to be done, so National supports this.
I want to cover three key areas this morning, because, I must say, last night in committee stage was an interesting process. I just wanted to reflect a little bit on that. And Iâm so pleased to see the member for Wairarapa in the House, because he gave an absolutely stunning overview of champagne socialism. He was articulating how proud and all that they were and, I think, what that really reflected to us in this House is this Government wants to controlâbig Government is a cost and itâs negative on productivity.
What also was interesting was from the Greens. I must say, the GreensâI wasnât too sure where they stood on this. They were abstaining from the vote, which basically means they refused to vote to support a minimum family tax credit increase, which seems at odds with where theyâre coming from.
đŹ Hon Simon Bridges: Hey, one question, is the member proud to be a socialist?
Absolutely not.
Look, the bill enables us, I guess, to reflect on the Budget. Look, I think we all woke up this morning and we were having a bit of a think about, well, what actually happened yesterday. I must say there was a little bit of good commentary.
But getting back to the bill: billions borrowed for benefits, a band-aid for Pharmac, no boost for businessâand Business New Zealandâs comments about yesterdayâs Budget: âa Budget that missed an opportunity for growthâ. The Employers and Manufacturers Association: âNo great benefits for businessâ. So I must say, a bit of a resounding comment around the feedback on yesterdayâs Budgetâwhich relates to this billâthat there was nothing there for business.
A little bit of conversation around the bill that we went through yesterday, because we spent quite a lot of time going through correcting a mistake. Letâs get it right. The child support aspect of the bill was correcting an error that was made. Nothing more than sloppy drafting of legislation. And, you know, the time that we have in this House matters and using that time to correct stuff like that is a missed opportunity. Iâll cover that a little bit later. The impact of that mistake was going to have sizable system ramifications for the Inland Revenue Department. So I donât think that we can sort of brush it under to say that it wasnât of significance.
You know, these errors, because of the fast pace at which these guys are trying to operate, without the attention to detail, can have significant risks and implications for our Government departments. And donât get me wrong. Those Government departments are under a lot of pressure at the moment because theyâre getting a lot of talk and not much direction from this Government.
So in summary: every moment in this House matters. I think Iâd made that point around the correction of the mistakes. A missed opportunity to fix congestion in Auckland. A missed opportunity to build the second WaitematÄ Harbour crossing. A missed opportunity to deal with the healthcare workforce crisis in this countryâ4,183 vacancies in this country, and what did they get from this Budget yesterday? They got an additional $15 million.
đŹ DEPUTY SPEAKER: You realise this is not a Budget speech?
Absolutely, Sir. I do appreciate that. I was just making the context around the errors in the bill. I commend this bill to the House.
The member opposite, Simon Watts, wanted to know what happened yesterday. Well, Iâll tell you what happened yesterday: we secured our economic recovery. Yesterday, we created the opportunity to lift between 19,000 and 33,000 of our children out of poverty. In my electorate in Taieri, the median income is $29,700. These changes will make an incredible difference to the people who live in the South. I am so proud of this Budget, I am so proud of the ability to be able to stand in support of this bill, which will enable us to increase benefits by $20 a week from 1 July this year, and then further increases from next April. This is a proud day for me.
I am so grateful on behalf of our constituents in Taieri to be able to take a call on this, support this, and say to those on the other side that we are securing the economic recovery of New Zealand. I commend this bill to the House.
I am so proud to be here to stand in support of this Taxation (Budget 2021 and Remedial Measures) Bill, which raises the benefit level and is going to benefit so many of our people. If you want to talk about this not just in terms of the impact it is going to have on the lives of those people for whom 20 bucks, come the middle of this year, and another raise next yearâthe impact itâs going to have on them. It is also, to talk over the other side of the House, talking about the impact itâs going to have on our whole society. Frankly, if we donât get used to raising the living standards of those at the bottom of our country, then we may as well get used to raising our fences, because we either create an inclusive society or we create one that is divided, angry, and no way for a Kiwi to live. I am so proud of this bill.
I remember what it was like when the âmother of all Budgetsâ came in. I remember the immense impact it had on my clients in the Family Court. I remember seeing, for the first time in my life, children with mouths full of rotten teeth because their parents couldnât afford the costs. I am therefore so proud to see that we are raising the benefits for those on the lowest incomes, not just because of what it will do for them but what it will do for our whole society.
I am also absolutely thrilled to see that we are adjusting the tax threshold for the working families, because, as the Prime Minister said yesterday, itâs not just about the making of dignity and good lives for those on the benefit; it is also about continuing to incentivise work. I am absolutely thrilled to commend this bill to the House.
It is utterly ridiculous for that speaker to stand up, express great pride in the undoing of a Budget that was delivered 30 years ago, without recognising that it was the six years prior of utter debacle inside a Government that was the cause of that Budgetâs delivery. Everyone knows that in 1990, the Labour Government at the time delivered a Budget that had, apparently, a surplus of $89 millionâa wafer-thin surplus of $89 million. Then upon coming to Government, the opening of the books exercise that took place at that timeâbecause we didnât have the fiscal responsibility Act back then; we just had a Government able to do whatever it liked. When the books were opened, that $89 million surplus was almost a billion dollars of deficit, and you had the countryâs largest banking institution teetering on the edge of failure, which would have taken most of the business community, most of the jobs in this country with it. So donât come in here lecturing about how wonderful it is that weâve gone back to the future in this sort of way. Because when you look at this Budget, you canât help thinking that the next six years might look like those six years prior to the 1991 Budget.
While this bill does deliver an additional $10 a week to people earning on low incomes so that they can have a minimum income, effectively, of $31,096, the reality is that that $10 for working New Zealanders is just as little as 20 percent of what the Budget itself delivers for non-working New Zealanders. Thatâs an interesting sort of trend, if one were to think about what that might mean if this sort of logic was applied over a longer period of time.
When we were discussing this last time, through the committee stage, there was much claiming of how wonderful all this was, as if the march of time did not have some inevitable effect on incomes as it does on everything else. So thereâs nothing particularly special about this. Weâre supporting it because we want New Zealanders who are in work to have a clear differential between those who are not. But, more importantly, we want a better environment to get those New Zealanders who are not in work back into the workforce.
I think there is a glimmer of hope here, inside the Governmentâs own statistics, where theyâre saying that if you look back to 2020, payments in this regard were $2.189 billion. But in this current year, itâs going to be $2.130 billion. So here we have a larger payment with a lower quantum. That must mean that there is a very heroic assumption about peopleâs incomes rising in this country. Thatâs the only way that worksâif incomes rise.
But weâve got a Government thatâs gone out to the whole State sector and said, âNothing for the next three years. Youâre flat.â And wouldnât you think that that might translate to the private sector? So there is a deliberate Government policy of income suppression, but in this bill, the heroic assumption that incomes are going to go up somehow against that sort of prediction.
When you look at the statsâand the Minister pointed us to these stats on page 128 of the Budget Economic and Fiscal Update documentâ2022 sees the payment drop to just over $2 billion. Well, what does that mean? It means less people are picking up this sort of support. The only way they pick up less support is by earning more, earning more in an environment where the Government is saying âNope, no more pay rises.â Then when we have a really good close look at it, we see that by 2025, itâs blown right out to over $2.2 billion. So they donât even believe in their own fiscal forecast the outcomes that theyâre predicting for the next couple of years. I think that is a cruel hoax on the people of New Zealand who do have hope that our economy will recover and move forward.
The speaker before, saying that âWeâd laid the groundwork for the recovery of the economy by increasing benefits and by increasing family support payments.â misses the pointâthat is, from the economic activity, the productive side of the economy that those things are affordable. So I really do have great concerns that the Government has gone out with a big flag, saying âLook how good we are. Look how wonderful we are. Weâve got a great battle going on against poverty in this country.â, but no army behind it to make it work.
I appreciate that this is not a Budget speech and I donât want to incur your wrath by straying too much further into these things. But I know, the whole concept of this being a cornerstone of that Budget is completely ridiculous. As I said before, the march of time always has consequence. If it didnât, then nothing would have changed since 1990. But it has and it does, and the base level of what we now consider to be the baseline for existence in New Zealandâ$31,000âwould have been a massive income back then, a massive income. So donât make out that this is something special; itâs not. Itâs just part of an obligation that a Government in a country like this takes on.
Rather than take more of the Houseâs time, let me simply say, we support this because we do want to see the incentive at a higher level for people who are in work to stay in work and to progress in their work. We do think that incomes for New Zealanders are too low. Weâve said that for a very long time. But you only get that increased income by increased productivity within the economy, increased activity in the economy and better prices for commoditiesâall of that sort of thing. Thatâs what creates jobs; itâs what creates higher incomeâno question.
So itâs unfortunate, then, I think, that thatâs the part thatâs missing in this particular debate. The other side have concentrated on how wonderful it is that theyâre doing this, without any real explanation of where all the money comes from, and then, of course, presents the utter contradiction in the Budget Economic and Fiscal Update.
Can I simply conclude by saying that weâll support it because working New Zealanders deserve it, in an environment such as we have at the moment. Can I just say too, if you look at what this means for peopleâan extra $10 a week, so that your income comes up to $31,096. Yesterday, interest.co.nz published a very interesting article, and itâs worth a look, because it talks about the underlying inflation that exists in the New Zealand economy. Thatâs a big, big challenge. For people on that sort of income, theyâre not too worried about mortgage rates, other than the fact that those mortgage rates affect their rental rates. Thereâs no doubt thereâs been enormous rental pressure in the last couple of years. But the most interesting thing about that article was it took a basket of ordinary, regular, everyday-use grocery items and compared it, price-wise, over a period of time, and came up with the conclusion that there is an underlying inflation, particularly in that sector, of around 7 percentâ7 percent soaks up a lot. In $100, itâs $7, and this gives people $10 over and above about $30,000 a year. So itâs not a great value to them, as far as moving forward is concerned. It just barely holds people to where they are at the moment.
With that, Iâll conclude my remarks.
E te MÄngai o te Whare, tÄnÄ koe. You know, Iâve heard from the other side this morning just a whole bunch of grumbles and sadness, particularly from the member from the North Shore. Now, the realityâand I take Mr Brownleeâs point that thereâs nothing special in our announcements yesterday and in this Budget, but the reality for the North Shore community: 10,000 people will have their benefits liftedâ10,000 people on the north shore of TÄmaki-makau-rau. Now, that is very, very important to acknowledge. Thatâs 10,000 people that are getting a lift of $20 coming up in mid-year and then increasing from there thereafter. But that moneyâand people forgetâthat may not be much to us is spent in our local businesses on the North Shore, across Auckland, and across Aotearoa New Zealand. People forget those key important points.
This Budget is about securing our recovery, and the step today in this taxation bill, and why Iâm supporting it in the House today, is because we want to secure our recovery. Iâm proud to be a Labour member. Iâm proud of this first Budget and the investment in our people, and I commend this bill to the House.
đŁď¸ Spoke in this debate (7)
- Hon Gerry Brownlee (New Zealand National Party â List Member)
- Shanan Halbert (New Zealand Labour Party â Member for Northcote)
- Emily Henderson (New Zealand Labour Party â Member for WhangÄrei)
- Ingrid Leary (New Zealand Labour Party â Member for Taieri)
- Adrian Rurawhe (New Zealand Labour Party â Member for Te Tai HauÄuru)
- Simon Watts (New Zealand National Party â Member for North Shore)
- Arena Williams (New Zealand Labour Party â Member for Manurewa)